We're interested in hearing your vision for the MacPherson and St Thomas Street Village Centre (which includes the Bronte RSL re-development site). How do you see the area in the future?

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  • Carlo over 7 years ago
    The area needs redevelopment. the existing building stock is old, displeasing visually and not adaptable to current commercial/requirements. We need more housing for future generations. The area, in my opinion, can accommodate further medium density development ( 4 - 6 storey apartments min). No im not advocating over development. The area has great amenity and should be regenerated such that it can accommodate future generations.It has potential to be a vibrant, active, medium rise local centre. Were best to accommodate further development now, rather than have it forced upon us, in some unfavourable form, in the not to distant future.
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    • bronteresident over 7 years ago
      Agree the area needs redevelopment and existing buildings look old and tired. Market forces will drive the redevelopment. Three Blue Ducks is an excellent example, locals have recognised the changing demographic of the area and catered to the needs of time poor young professional families , a great success that has doubled in size since first opening. All within exsting development restrictions.The question is whether these restrictions need to change.The current Bronte RSL envelope is large and from a size perspective capable of mixed use (retail and residential development).Similarly height and use restrictions along MacPherson are adequete for retail and residential developments within a local village envelope.Council is better off focusing on improving the infrastructure and amenities (footpaths/landscaping/roads/crossings) and facilitating redevlopment within current regulations to encourage greater use and participation from local residents.
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      • Carlo over 7 years ago
        i do believe the restrictionsd need to change because the current ones simply arent feasible which means redevelopment will take place at snails pace, meaning we'll continue to be left with old infrastructure. Of course they shouldnt be changed to reflect bondi junction or even close to that.
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        • stephenjl over 7 years ago
          have a look at what is proposed. it will set a precedent that will lead to a high-rise centre in bronte. the council has already raised the prospect of rezoning the residential lots next to the rsl as commercial. they will then be open to development and guess what, they'll want to build high-rise as well. before you know it the whole suburb has changed for the worse.what is unfeasible about the current planning regulations? for whom specifically do they not work and for what specific reason? what evidence is there that they don't work? they have worked for everyone else e.g. blue ducks. why does the rsl require special rules now after we already had a DCP in 2010/11 and a new LEP that is about to be gazetted. both sets of regulations deal with the macpherson st strip. the developer should submit a development that complies with the existing law.
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          • Carlo over 7 years ago
            Stephenjl - These forums often lack detail. In the first instance, i tend to agree the current RSL scheme is too large. My original post wasnt meant to rely on the RSL scheme. Therefore, to clarify, while i tend to believe the RSL scheme is too large, the current controls are too restrictive. Some where in between seems reasonable in my opinion.But this is exactly the objective of this forum - its not specifically about the RSL scheme, its about the whole centre.The current scheme is unfeasible for developers and future generations alike. From a direct dollar point of view, redevelopment of sites in this area doesnt offer enough yield. It is also unfeasible in that our future generations will not have access to enough homes, let alone affordable homes.The economic review for all centres in this LGA (also available on this website) suggests feasibility is marginal.
    • Issy over 7 years ago
      The area doesn't need redevelopment. What makes the mcpherson/thomas street area of bronte so special is its quiet, relaxed and friendly feel. It is a small community, built around the beach, cemetry,relations with neighbours and quiet safe streets. It's vibrancy comes from this...it doesn't need more shops. Buying stuff doesnt build communities. The sort of high rise overdevelopment being advocated will destroy the things that are so special about bronte.
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      • Carlo over 7 years ago
        Based on the unaffordability of housing and shortage of housing, im of the opinion redevelopment is necessary. This aside, no where stands still forever. I dont believe the RSL scheme is what's being advocated by this forum. I understand this forum is asking for consideration of whats appropriate for the whole area, not whether the RSL scheme should be the precedent. If your a believer that change is inevitable, then i believe this would be a good time to try and harness outcomes the community would like, rather than having it forced upon us.
    • GaryWhatling over 7 years ago
      I'm sorry Carlo, I agree that the Bronte RSL should be re-developed and I'd go as far to say that it is currently an eyesore, but 4-6 storeys - no!The RSL club is part of the Bronte community. Club members deserve a new home. An RSL that more Bronte residents would use would be a big gain for the area.I feel that 3 levels should be the maximum, like those above the newer retail on the other side of the street.The top end of Clovelley Road is a great example of how a local community can re-invent itself without major re-development.
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      • Carlo over 7 years ago
        fair enough..i see your point. i suspect a 3 storey development wont yield an economically viable club..in which case members wont have any club at all.
    • gordon over 7 years ago
      Clearly Carlois a developer and not someone that lives in the community! I will state now and repeat what the community feedback was on Wed 24 Oct . We do not want this site to be OVERDEVELOPED. We cannot stop progress and should encourage it by maximising the site's potential WITHIN the CURRENT BUILDING ENVELOPE! There is so much that can be done to this site within the existing building frame!We should not ruin the boutique feeling of the Bronte community!
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      • stephenjl over 7 years ago
        the developers proposal is a monstrous building that is too big for the site. at 20.5 metres on macpherson it is at least 6 stories and has the real possibility of being raised to 7 metres. the floor:space ratio has not been disclosed and is likely to be much higher than that allowed on the site. the community is clearly against this development despite what the council and the developer want us to believe. there were a lot of angry residents there on thursday night. angry that this overdevelopment is being thrust upon us by the rsl and the developer with no regard to the wishes of the many people who live in the vicinity.
      • Carlo over 7 years ago
        i certainly live in the area, and would like my son to live in the area when he grows up. but given the lack of housing and the consequential unaffordability of housing, i suspect he will be living quite some distance away. Something im not looking forward to.
      • Carlo over 7 years ago
        I call Waverley home!
    • rosie over 7 years ago
      Waverley is the most populated area in NSW, therefore does NOT need any further development not commercial nor in housing!
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      • Carlo over 7 years ago
        Waverley may be the most populated area in NSW, but Australia is the least dense country in the developed world. This aside, Waverley remains dominated by single and double storey developments - i personally cant put this in the 'too dense' category.
    • Local Lass over 7 years ago
      Carlo, with all due respect....the point IS - it is being forced upon us in an unfavourable form!!!!
    • Chesterfield over 7 years ago
      Good work Carlo. Good to see that the developer's PR machine is on message!
  • tina over 7 years ago
    The Bronte shopping strip is a local neighbourhood centre designed to service the needs of locals who live in and around the area and can walk to the shops. We can meet, talk to your neighbours and use the shops which service the local shopping needs. As soon as you start building a 1000m2 supermarket and associated shops you are no longer servicing the needs of the local community. You are encouraging people to drive to the shops, delivery trucks, traffic, noise will destroy the small local shopping centre which functions perfectly for the existing community.Develop the RSL site for an RSL club and residential units in accordance with the current controls. Say NO to a supermarket which will destroy the local amenity and aesthetic of the existing shopping area.If Council wants to improve the area then great, do so, but don't suggest that local street improvements are tied to an extended retail and supermarket development at the RSL site. This simply feeds the greed of a developer who is not prepared to accept the current planning controls.Say NO to a redeveloped RSL site that includes a 1000m2 Supermarket and additional retail component.Say NO to more traffic, more delivery trucks, more rubbish, more noise. Save our local shops and our existing low density amenity.
  • stephenjl over 7 years ago
    I am a local resident. We do not want any more high-rise in this area. We have one of the most densely populated areas in Australia. A high-rise at the RSL site would set a precedent that will lead to Macpherson St being the new Bondi Junction. Don't believe it? Well the RSL developer is already claiming a precedent from the oceanview apartment high rise saying his building will fit in with the oceanview.We do not need any more shops in our area and we locals definitely do not want a 1200 m2 shopping mall at the RSL site. We do not want Macpherson St to become the new Coogee Bay Road or Charing Cross. A quite strip of small locally run and locally owned shops is perfect. We have more than enough shops all around our area - Coogee Bay Road, Charing Cross, Frenchman's Rd, Macpherson St, Bondi, Bondi Junction. There are corner shops all over the place. A huge shopping mall will create more noise and more traffic. It will create safety problems for the children and families at the Bronte Child Care Centre in St Thomas St and at the Clovelly Public School.Say NO to high-rise at the RSL. Say NO to a shopping mall at the RSL. Say NO to special deals for developers. The local community should not have to put up with long term pain for a developer's short term profit. If the RSL developer can't make a buck by building within the current planning regulations and law for the area, he should move on and leave our suburb alone.
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    • Queens Park Ranger over 7 years ago
      You are quite right Stephenjl. We dont need a high rise here. That will ruin the small beach feel of Bronte that we all love. Leave the high rises for Bondi Beach please and the shopping at Bondi Junction (around 1 km away ...).
  • stephenjl over 7 years ago
    by the way, why is the Council referring to this site as the "St Thomas Street Village Centre"? There is only one shop in St Thomas St. The rest of it is zoned residential. Does the Council want to expand shops into St Thomas Street? I hope not.
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    • Admin Commented HYS Waverley over 7 years ago
      Thank you for your feedback. There is not a formal name for the study area. The area in question covers the shops and houses that run along MacPherson Street from its intersection with St. Thomas Street to its intersection with Baglin and Evans Street. which includes the the Bronte RSL site. As there are other shops in Bronte as well as several other sets of shops on MacPherson Street, this is the logical project name.
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      • stephenjl over 7 years ago
        how about "the east macpherson st village centre"?
  • PSW over 7 years ago
    The scale of the Bronte Shops and Village is suitable for the area and does NOT need any further retail outlets. As local residents, we like the uniqueness of this village and its character is what makes it special. The RSL site should be developed within the council and planning criteria for the site - not exceeding the specific FSR - just to support the proposal and provide greater returns for the developers and RSL. There should be no special treatment for the RSL site or for the commercial developer as a result of the size of site. The commercial returns by over-developng the site will be bolstered significantly through the unrealistic scale of commercail space leasings, which will deliver significant ongoing annuity streams of income moving forward. This scale of over commercialising the site in a 50:50 ratio of residential to commercial is a false preposition and goes against the argument: "to accomiodate future generations".Over developing the site for extensive financial benefit - adding large commercial and retail areas to provide long term leasing returns - is at the long term detriment of the local residents and future generations of the Bronte area. The proposed development should not allow commercial services or shops to be considered as part of the development.
  • Rachael over 7 years ago
    I'm a resident living on Chesterfield Lane. The reason I moved to Bronte is that it's so peaceful and quiet - a real contrast to many of the surrounding areas.My home faces directly onto the lane, with no setback at all. Right now there is a problem with gym members visiting the current RSL site speeding down the lane. They appear to have no concept that people live on the lane and have front doors that open directly onto the street. I am extremely concerned at the prospect of construction vehicles and then delivery trucks driving along the lane during business hours (which are 7am to 10pm according to the development website). First, due to the hazard they create, and second due to the noise they'll make. I am really concerned that construction and then use of the site will affect my quality of life, and expect that I will wish to sell my home. I am also worried that I won't be able to sell my home due to the decrease in value caused by the development, and that we'll end up having to pay for noise insulation and be forced to live with the windows closed. Depressingly , I've spoken to so many local residents who feel there is no point in getting involved as they think there's no way to stop this.This feels like my worst nightmare at the moment.
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    • stephenjl over 7 years ago
      rachael, i share your views on this monstrous proposal for a huge shopping mall at the rsl site. it is unfair that such a development can even be considered when it will impact so negatively on those of us who live nearby. however, we must not loose hope. we, the little people, can beat this. people power can beat developer greed. don't give up. tell your friends and neighbours not to give up. tell them all to come to the meetings over the next two weeks and to put their views strongly to the developer, to the council and to harris farm. tell them to get on Facebook and make it clear at the 'no harris farm in bronte' Facebook page that we don't want a huge supermarket in our neighbourhood. tell them to fill out the council survey on this site. stay motivated. you won't have to move. cheers steve
  • bronteboyd over 7 years ago
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  • Claire over 7 years ago
    As a resident who lives on Chesterfield Lane I hate to imagine what a Harris Farm Market would do to this lovely quiet area. My bedroom window would be approximately one metre from trucks making deliveries to the proposed market. It is already too loud in the mornings with people going to the gym speeding down the lane. Luckily we only rent and don't own, so we will be looking at moving before the construction starts. We feel very sad about leaving somewhere we love to live but couldn't deal with trucks passing our windows and balcony. The small group of shops that currently exist are great, and any additional small shops such as a deli or other cafes or restaurants would be a nice addition to the area. I think the development should be a low rise apartment building incorporating the RSL, the gym and some boutique retail on the street level. The development should not be as tall as the Oceanview apartment building as that building is already too big for the area. Any supermarket would encourage people from out of this area to drive, adding to the already busy roads and problems with parking, and would not be in the same style as the small local shops such as Iggy's, Camperdown Cellars, Three Blue Ducks or the Bronte Carlo.
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    • stephenjl over 7 years ago
      claire, i agree with much of what you've said but there is one point where i disagree. this may be controversial but i'm going to put it out there. here goes, i say 'close the club'. it is obvious that times have changed and people don't want a club in the neighbourhood anymore - if the community really wants a club, why did it go broke? i know it's a tough call for the club members and in the past it was an important part of their lives, but nowadays the community doesn't need such a club. i mean no disrespect to the proud club members. there, i've said it. let's see the response on this forum!
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      • Claire over 7 years ago
        I would have to agree with you about closing the club, however I believe part of the deal with the sale was that the club be included in the new development?? If that wasn't the case I would be supportive of the club being closed. It is much nicer and quieter on a Friday and Saturday night since the club has been closed with much less broken glass and empty bottles in the streets.
      • Chris in Bronte over 7 years ago
        But on the other hand, the Club performed many useful community activities, for Seniors, Surf Club, Community group meetings, etc. I admit that I rarely used the Club, but when I did, I rather enjoyed it. It was a low impact Club mostly.
    • duncho over 7 years ago
      Yeah try driving to Bondi Junction or Randwick shopping centres on the weekend when it's totally gridlocked. Surely the introduction of a better shopping facility in the local area would eliminate the need for using a car and locals could stop pumping fumes from their four-wheel drives into the air and simply try using their legs.
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      • stephenjl over 7 years ago
        duncho, that is exactly the point. the proposed overdevelopment will attract traffic. it is not for locals. it is designed to service 30000 people not locals. a supermarket cannot survive on customers who walk to the shop - they need customers who drive and thus they want around 80 car parks for customers. the only people who will walk are those wanting to get some milk or bread and that won't sustain a large commercial supermarket. people doing a grocery shop will not walk. they will drive. this overdevelopment will create exactly the gridlock you don't like but it will be in our quiet neighbourhood 7 days a week.
      • Issy over 7 years ago
        It would be lovely if we could get people in the eastern suburbs to drive less...but adding yet another shopping centre to this area is not going to do it. People will still drive from here to charing cross and Randwick and westfield, same as they do now. You will just get lots more people driving in to Bronte from surrounding areas. Lets get real!
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  • 2024 over 7 years ago
    If people want to go shopping, its a 10 minute drive and or even bus ride and then you have a shopping paradise, theres no place for this in bronte, it will just be another classic case of redevelopment ruining a nice area like Bronte.
  • Michelle over 7 years ago
    I completely agree with Carlo. The current RSL building is an eyesore and in dire need of revitalisation. Medium density mixed use development will provide a vibrant work / live environment. A high quality local supermaket that people can walk /cycle to, rather than getting in their cars and driving up to Westfield, would be a breath of fresh air, enhancing the community environment and interaction.
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    • stephenjl over 7 years ago
      sadly michelle the current proposal will do nothing to enhance the community environment. it will attract people in cars - that is why the developer has talked to council of up to 60 car spaces. locals who can walk/cycle to local shops do not need a 1200 m2 shopping mall. locals who can walk to the shopping mall do not need car spaces. have a look at the frenchmans road fruit shop (which, by the way, is within easy cycling distance of bronte). that is a perfect size for locals but even there the majority of customers drive. this development has nothing to do with enhancing the environment. the increase in traffic in the surrounding streets will be unpleasant and have an adverse impact on our quality of life. as i said above, we have shops galore in this suburb. we don't need anymore.
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      • stephenjl over 7 years ago
        another suggestion for those looking for to support local shops - the little supermarket at burnie st clovelly. an easy walk for locals and has a good range of products including deli stuff.these local shops already exist. we don't need more shops.
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        • Charlotta over 7 years ago
          And can I just add to that: we walk in there with our kids, who are of course known by name by the shop keeper and his family. They have little chats to everyone in the shop. We learn what is going on in the community. We find out what causes or people we can support. We get our grocery top-up, just a little dearer, but with so much more heart. Hmmm when was the last time any of this happened while shopping at BJs?
    • Pertina over 7 years ago
      People will walk/cycle to do their shopping here Michelle? I wish! This proposal targets a catchment area extending from Tamarama to Clovelly; can you really imagine all those shoppers walking/cycling here with their full shopping bags. They drive here just to get a single loaf of sourdough from Iggys! I agree that the site needs redevelopment but that doesn't have to incorporate a supermarket that will destroy the livelihoods of several existing retailers and add hundreds of additional cars to an already increasingly congested neighbourhood. Some enhancement!
  • bronteresident over 7 years ago
    Current, zoning, height and FSR restrictions are appropriate for a mixed use neighbourhood/village centre.Market forces are seeing businesses move to the village to capture a very attractive demographic - young time poor professional families.Three Blue Ducks, Iggys and Frothers have all opened in the last two years, under existing zoning and restrictions, and are enjoying strong patronage. Others will follow, it is a network effect.The village is currently well underutilised by local business -council needs to focus on improving its streetscape and facilities (roads/crossings)A quick trip to Clovelly shows what can be done.
  • Dean over 7 years ago
    Regardless of what promises are made by the developers of this project, my concern is that the owners will just do what they like, with no regard for the local residents, and with the council unwilling or unable to stop them. The precedent for this has already been set in a mixed retail/residential development in the neighbourhood, at 120-128 Macpherson St. Last year Camperdown Cellars undertook a massive refurbishment of the old Bronte Cellars shop. This generated 3 months of incredible noise & disruption for local residents, from 6am to 11pm on many days, including weekends. What did the council do to control this? Absolutely nothing. If the council is unable to moderate the contemptuous, anti-social construction activities of one shop owner, how can they possibly protect local residents during a much larger retail driven project?
  • Bronte36 over 7 years ago
    I think we have a once off opportunity to improve this little precinct. The way it is now is awkward and inefficient. There is not enough retail scale or space for people to meet and mix or to attract high quality retailers. We need a proper plan - dumping planters on the footpath doesn't cut it. It now looks like a jumble and we have lost circulation space. It is not that hard. Go and visit Erskineville, Mosman, and Woollahra retail strips.I am cynical about developer motives and sympathetic to potential overshadowing and increased traffic but a relatively small amount of increased density and height may be the pragmatic trade-off for some nice arcades and wider footpaths. Lets broaden our minds. Think about activating the lanes and open fronted shops. The sad but inevitable demise of the RSL provides us with a unique opportunity to rethink the area and create a real village feel.
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    • mfv over 7 years ago
      yes the area does need a good clean and rethink by council re streetscape/but why cant we be unique and keep our area as is.Do we really want to become another Mosman etc,in the future would it not be nice for people to say,what a lovely little shopping village,it has its own uniqueness,not like others.Many businesses have tried to,and failed in this area over the years.Yes RSL site does need development,keep to residential height,with RSL facilities but no large commercial premises.
  • St.Thomas St Resident over 7 years ago
    As a resident of St Thomas Street, I am very concerned with the proposal for the Bronte RSL re-development site. As many comments already show (which I am sure would reflect the opinions of the majority of local residents), locals do not wish to see over-development of the existing RSL site with 4-storey residential apartments. I don't think anyone other than the developers think that the nearby Ocean View building is worthy of emulation, particularly when any buildings on the South side of Macpherson street in that location have elevated positions that overlook Bronte & Clovelly down to the coast. The reality is that a six storey building on the RSL site is not in keeping with the current MacPherson and St.Thomas Street Village Centre streetscape.As a parent of children who attend both Clovelly Public School and Bronte Child Care Centre, I am also very concerned at the increased traffic that would inevitably follow both (1) the proposed Harris Farm; and (2) the apartment complex on the RSL site. Chesterfield Parade and St.Thomas Streets will become less safe for parents and children to use and cross, and the number of parking spaces for residents on these streets, and particularly outside Clovelly Public school, will be impacted by customers and staff of Harris Farm and residents/visitors to the apartments. Available parking is already restricted in these areas for parents who need access to parking to collect and drop-off their children in a safe and legal manner.My vision is that council will listen to the concerns of resident taxpayers who choose to live in this area, and that it will not allow this inappropriate and potentially harmful development to proceed.
  • gabberry over 7 years ago
    We have one of the largest commercial centres no more than a 20 min walk, a 10 minute bus or drive away... I see no need for more commercial space. Zone the space for the community, perhaps a community centre offering the already space-poor residents and visitors something other than shopping! Community centre, 'headspace' area for all our teenaged to play ping pong, book discussion group, 'men's shed' space, art classes , small theatre , the list can go on. These alternatives are more for the walking resident and will not hugely impact traffic movements, except perhaps the theatre ( but the space provides for that parking anyway).
  • gabberry over 7 years ago
    We have one of the largest commercial centres no more than a 20 min walk, a 10 minute bus or drive away... I see no need for more commercial space. Zone the space for the community, perhaps a community centre offering the already space-poor residents and visitors something other than shopping! Community centre, 'headspace' area for all our teenaged to play ping pong, book discussion group, 'men's shed' space, art classes, small theatre , the list can go on. These alternatives are more for the walking resident and will not hugely impact traffic movements, except perhaps the theatre ( but the space provides for that parking anyway). The area could do with a small specialised fruit and vegie shop (competitively priced) that would fit within existing zone and height rules.
  • isabel over 7 years ago
    As a resident of Chesterfield Pde I am completely opposed to the re-development of the RSL site. The proposed over-development will lead to traffic chaos in our suburb. People will not walk to the shops to do their grocery shopping at a Harris Farm supermarket - who want's to carry 5 bags of shopping? 7 days a week is too much for a small suburban shopping strip. Also, I am concerned about the safety of my children, who attend Clovelly Public School and the Bronte Child Care Centre. Already it is sometimes very difficult to cross the streets safely - I cannot imagine how this will become with trucks and extra traffic driving to the proposed shopping centre. I hope the council will hear the voices of the community and not let this development go ahead.
  • Charlotta over 7 years ago
    I love this area - it is lively but not crowded, vibrant but not hectic. I walk and bike on these streets with my young children. We are getting to know the old and the new in this street, and enjoy the sense of community that can be rare in a big city. If this becomes a commercial shopping centre, however, I think all of this is lost. Do I need another place to shop groceries, when two major centres are 10-15 minutes away and online shopping delivers? Of course not! Do developers and businesses want to cash in on this populated area? Of course they do! And if they get to, in the process, it will destroy what attracted us to this lovely place. Which to me is that genuine village feel, and a place where - while it is affluent - money-making hasn't been allowed to overtake everything else. Please don't let it!
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    • Carlo over 7 years ago
      do other families wish to benefit from the enjoyment you have described....you bet.
  • oceanview over 7 years ago
    Last nights unveiling of the actual plans for the redevelopent of the Bronte RSL site exposed as hollow the claims made by the RSL and their developer that they are concerned about the neighbouring community. They are simply out to maximise their return on this site. The very fact that the RSL and their developer decided not to make any presentation or host any open Q&A at this unveiling is itself an acknowledgment that they anticipated serious opposition to their plans. Nevertheless, they seriously expect us to believe that their proposed 6 storey building (two thirds the height of the much maligned Oceanview tower but twice its width) and jammed up directly against the footpath, will have no impact of the streetscape or on surrounding residents. They also expect us to believe that their 1200 sqm shopping mall will have negligible impact on traffic/parking, that the shoppers will be pedestrians/cyclists, that most of the 70-odd staff will come by bus and that residents adjoining Chesterfield Lane will barely notice the service/delivery vehicles that will come trundling down it each and every day.It is shameful how the existing club was allowed to deteriorate and a redevelopment of the site is welcome. However, this must be in line with planning controls and in sympathy with this beachside neighbourhood and NOT with a monstrosity more suited to Bondi Junction or Green Square.
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    • stephenjl over 7 years ago
      agreed oceanview. sadly the more i learn about this proposed overdevelopment, the more i am disappointed with the rsl subbranch and the more i realise they have sold us out. they have not considered the massive impacts this development will have on the local community and have acted solely out of self interest. i'm sure that many of the rsl members would be horrified at the way the community has been treated and blindsided by this overdevelopment that we do not want in our peaceful suburb.
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      • resident over 7 years ago
        Not a bad effort from a mob that were "gifted" the site many years ago. Great financial returns! To whom? Show us the books!
  • Pertina over 7 years ago
    By all means lets use Macpherson St/Thomas St centre as a model but then let's roll out key elements along all of Macpherson St and across Waverley. Let's also learn from best practice examples elsewhere; the North Sydney Council seems to be a leader in rejuvenating retail zones (just check out Willoughby St in Crows Nest) and maybe their Streetscape Committees offer one way forward to meaningful and ongoing community engagement.Essential herre is the preservation of the low key beachside ambience which will be destroyed through the insertion of massive high rise apartment blocks/shopping malls such as the one currently proposed for the Bronte RSL club site. The place for such developments is Bondi Junction. Recent arrivals on the scene such as 3 Blue Ducks, Iggys (and Pasta Emilia when she-hopefully- returns) have already significantly revitalised the street scene here and it is such specialised retailers like these which should be encouraged through upgraded facilities, not impersonal commercial chains like Harris Farm Markets.Rather than bringing more traffic into a local street system already becoming increasingly congested, as the RSL scheme is guaranteed to do, we should instead slow down existing traffic, impose a uniform 40 km speed limit, reduce Macpherson to 2 lanes outside village centres and expand the footpaths in these zones to encourage street life. More room for outdoor seating for cafes/restaurants but also for public benches (shaded under trees) Also bike racks and dog facilities. Expanded footpaths to be planted with mid-sized trees (eg Tuckeroo) and such plantings continued all along Macpherson St to provide shaded footpaths, encouraging pedestrians. At the same time power cables along the street should progressively be put underground.Planning controls under the recently gazetted LEP, which should be helping preserve this neighbourhood, appear instead to have incorporated way too much flexibility and changes are needed to reduce the apparent ease with which developers can pursue oversize developments. It is to be hoped that the present site specific review of the Bronte RSL site will make recommendation necessary to preserve what is good about our neighbourhood to Waverley council and that the councillors will accept such recommendations.
  • GaryWhatling over 7 years ago
    The new retail and appartments on the opposite side of the street fit in well.Nothing higher that that please.
  • Gerard Perrignon over 7 years ago
    Whilst the area might benefit from some level of redevelopment, the potential damage that a significant commercial development - as currently contemplated by the RSL developer - is significant, and renders this planned development in its current shape as totally inappropriate. Massive increases in commercially related traffic will occur as a result of this redevelopment, which will bring to the area a significant risk to the shape of the community (the developer contends that a big commercial development would service the needs of the local community but ignores the potenitally massive scale of non local traffic influx), and to the safety of children in the primary school and day care facilities on Chesterfield and St Thomas streets respectively.
  • nancy over 7 years ago
    I agree the RSL building needs redevelopment but any development should remain within the current 'envelope' - no higher and no further back to Chesterfield Lane.The area is already densely populated with too much traffic so 36 new residences will further exacerbate the traffic and parking problems the local residents now experience. The RSL is a great place for the local community to gather and get to know each other. Council should extend that ethos to the rest of the development. Communities come together at open spaces such as a childrens play area, a gym and a community swimming pool - these things should be added. More retailers will not bring the community closer - it will just bring more traffic, parking problems and more people from outside our area.The reason Bronte is so attractive now is because if its local community feel and charm - over development and more retail will destroy this.The redevelopment should include the RSL, open space for a childrens play area, a community swimming pool, a loca gym and a limited number (maximum 10) new residences.
  • Doug over 7 years ago
    I am very concerned about the proposed development plan for McPherson St.I dont believe the area will benefit from a project of this size.It is much too big and will make an undesirable impact on the area.In particular it will attract much increased traffic on streets that are already badly stressed.The traffic report is not credible and very few local residents place any store on it.It flies in the face of what they know.This is a beautiful and quiet area in an otherwise very busy part of Sydney.It is why many of us came here.I am not opposed to any development and see an appropriate three story development as something that might be welcomed.I hope that Council and the developer listen to the local community and take notice of their very real concerns.
  • Keri over 7 years ago
    The residents of Bronte and surrounding suburbs have every reason to be worried about the proposed development of the Bronte RSL site. After all, the same developer is intent upon doing to other RSL Club sites what he is well advanced to doing in Bronte. The development proposals discussed last week at Council's community meeting and displayed on Wednesday night at the developer's information session show a major retail and residential development with delivery trucks and resident vehicles entering through Chesterfield Lane (are they really serious??) and an estimated 30,000 customers (the developer's own estimate- see the latest copy of The Beast) entering either though a driveway in Macphersen Street or else parking in your street or mine! Sadly, Council's summary on this website of views expressed last week at the community consultations simply do not mirror at all accurately what took place. In fact, I thought Council must be referring to some other meeting! Council has recorded positive and negative views but provided no indication of how many people expressed what views. I heard only negative comments both at the Community Consultation and at the developer's own meeting. I know that hundreds of people signed a petition opposing the development. If there were people in favor of the development, it was not at all apparent. My vision for the Bronte Village is a place where people can walk and talk and not be droned out by an endless stream of traffic; where children can cross a road to safely go to school; where old people can find a seat and talk to a mate; where there is community space for different sorts of activities for locals of all ages; where local family owned businesses provide great service and are supported by the community. Everyone has there own view about the sort of community activity which should be on the Bronte RSL site but one thing is clear- local residents do not want the larger retail stores. Whether it be Harris Farm, Woolworths, Coles, Dan Murphy or whoever, they are not wanted in Bronte. Bondi Junction is so close.
  • SJGilder over 7 years ago
    As a resident of Chesterfield Parade, I am extremely concerned about the proposed redevelopment of the RSL site. Whilst the current delapidated building needs redevelopment, the proposed redevelopment is not in keeping with the ambience of the area. The increased traffic on Chesterfield Lane and Chesterfield Parade is a particular concern. Chesterfield Lane is already in a constant state of disrepair due to ongoing water seepage and subsidence - presumably landscape and geological issues - the laneway struggles with the existing traffic level and will struggle with increased traffic, particularly lots of heavy traffic. Existing traffic on this laneway appears to think it is a oneway speedway, with drivers in lycra racing to their gym appointments in the RSL, seemingly unaware of residents whose doorways and garages are only metres from their speeding cars. Chesterfield Parade, with a primary school at one end and childcare at the other, has many small children who are not traffic savvy. An increase in traffic on this street is a major safety concern. Chesterfield Parade is already used as an appealingly wide speedway by late night bikers who do laps of St Thomas/Chesterfield/Arden on their noisy machines. Add delivery trucks and shopping traffic to this, and you have even more safety concerns and reduced amenity for local residents. The local residents are extremely well served by the local shops, supplemented by conveniently located large centres at Bondi Junction and Randwick. There is no way a resident in this area would say they require more large scale retail venues. The smaller shops and friendly proprietors are one of the most desirable elements of living in this area. Any new retail should be in keeping with this smaller scale, and not dominated by larger national retail chains which are so readily available in neighbouring suburbs already. Parking is already a challenge in the area for 6 months of the year, when warmer weather brings more out of area people to the beach, and beachgoers park all the way up the hill to the St Thomas/Macpherson shops. Large scale retail would compound this problem, and ensure that it is a year-round problem on a much bigger scale for local residents. The charm of Bronte is that is it is not yet overdeveloped and totally commercialised like nearby Bondi and Coogee, which are busy, crowded and loud. Residents are keen to keep it that way.
  • kathy over 7 years ago
    At last thursday nights presentation by the developer of Bronte RSL,a representative of the developer said it would be great for the locals to have a supermarket. When told that it appears that the majority of residents do not want this he said that this is what is allowed under current zoneing and that is what we will get.Are we to be dictated to by a developer that is leaving its mark all over Sydney and become another shopping centre attracting commercial traffic,more travel miles for produce etc when we already have a commercial hub at Bondi Junction where everything is already available.Macpherson St, lately has been moving towards artisan bread ,grow your own vegies,small community. A couple of years ago Bronte Beach was at gridlock creating an extremely dangerous situation.Do we need to add to this.
  • gordon over 7 years ago
    Clearly Carlo below is a developer and not someone that lives in the community! I will state now and repeat what the community feedback was on Wed 24 Oct . We do not want this site to be OVERDEVELOPED. We cannot stop progress and should encourage it by maximising the site's potential WITHIN the CURRENT BUILDING ENVELOPE! There is so much that can be done to this site within the existing building frame!We should not ruin the boutique feeling of the Bronte community!
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    • Carlo over 7 years ago
      i certainly live in the area, and would like my son to live in the area when he grows up. but given the lack of housing and the consequential unaffordability of housing, i suspect he will be living quite some distance away. Something im not looking forward to.
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      • gordon over 7 years ago
        I can totally understand the need for affordable housing, but how affordable do you really think the apartments in this area will be? This is Sydney wide problem.
      • stephenjl over 7 years ago
        didn't see any sign of affordable housing in the developer's proposal last thursday. just a shopping mall with 4 floors of presumably expensive apartments and a club above it.
  • Issy over 7 years ago
    We neither want nor need the sort of development proposed for the RSL site. Existing shops service the locals day to day needs and we have one of the biggest shopping complexes in NSW just 10 minutes away for other services. There is no evidence to support developer claims that residents want a supermarket here and certainly recent public meetings and council survey suggest the opposite. The proposition that the building a 6 storey 'tower' with a shopping centre underneath will not significantly increase traffic is also ludicrous and an insult to our intelligence. The increase traffic which would accompany and sustain an increased commercial footprint would clog up roads, pollute the environment and endanger the safety of children going to the kindergarten in St Thomas Street and to clovelly primary school, as well as pedestrians and the many cyclists who travel along mcpherson street. We are blessed to live in a beautiful, quiet area so close to the sea. Lets not ruin it by turning it into a high rise shopping precinct!
  • Bettina over 7 years ago
    I am a local resident and I live in Violet Street. The current RSL needs redevelopment but we don’t want a major retail and residential high-rise in a quiet beachside suburb! Let’s improve but not destroy the nice community that we currently have. The redevelopment needs to stay within the current building envelop – we want better – but not bigger or higher!Regarding the Village Centre, I believe that the Three Blue Ducks and Iggy's have been a great addition to Bronte. These shops/restaurant stayed within their previous building envelop and are great improvements to the area.
  • Kruisey over 7 years ago
    To suggest we need a supermarket or Harris Farm Market in MacPherson St is just ridiculous. We have a brilliant complex at Bondi Junction and Frenchman's Rd is only a short walk away. This is a small local community shopping area and a large establishment like this just doesn't fit at all.I live on MacPherson St and in the last several months the traffic has become busier than ever at weekends, so I can't imagine what it would be like with a huge development at the RSL site. To suggest that people would walk to the shops rather than drive is a joke. I can't imagine someone walking over from Tamarama and then carrying 3 or 4 bags of fruit and veg back! In addition, parents picking up children after school in their cars will just drop in to grab a few things so the traffic will be horrendous.What about garbage collection from Harris Farm? Would this be daily? The residents on Chesterfield Lane would have to put up with garbage trucks, delivery trucks and who knows what else.This is a totally unsuitable development for our area. Yes, redevelop the site but not with a Harris Farm Market and 6 stories.
  • gordon over 7 years ago
    Bronte RSL Re-Development should S.I.T.E. = Stay In The Envelope!10 Important reasons the proposed new RSL development should to stay in the existing building envelope:1. Loss of sweeping views to Coogee beach for many homes north of RSL2. Environment impact of additional noise of larger air conditioners – can already hear existing ones during summer3. Privacy impact of any new outside public areas or apartments into existing residential bedrooms and living rooms4. Traffic congestion & gridlock – already a BIG problem during summer and every day during 730-930 am and 3-530 pm GRID LOCK5. Parking already impossible in many areas due to current neighbourhood density6. Over shadowing of south residential area with loss of sun for many7. Loss of cool southerly breezes due to blocking wind patterns8. Safety concerns for families during massive construction period & Safety concerns for children attending all schools, kindergarten and day care9. Looting and property damage potential with influx of seasonal workers required for planned retail sites10. Bulk of property proposed not in line with Bronte community standards and surrounding housing (all max 1-2 levels)Bronte is not suited to a “BRONTE JUNCTION” style development!Do you want another Oceanview or Tamarama style WHITE ELEPHANT built!? Say NO!
  • mavin over 7 years ago
    This is a village area. I for one have lived in Coogee and Bondi and have moved here because of the relative calm. I agree that there are buildings/infrastructure that could do with a facelift (the RSL site being one), but this needs to be done while keeping the Village/community feel. I would welcome the addition of smaller specialty shops in the area.One of my main concerns is around traffic in two places in particular 1) Chesterfield Lane. This is a mostly residential lane and not suited for the type of commercial traffic mooted. A lot of the value in this area is the relative peace and quiet.2) Macpherson street. This street is not designed to deal with a major influx of traffic. In summer the road is only barely able to cope with existing traffic. Adding traffic and adding the slowdown/stopping opportunities around a major shopping development will strangle traffic on the weekends (which is when most of us would be showing our properties if we were selling)This area should be for local traffic, major shopping should be done in the major shopping hubs down the road.I know that construction will be necessary for the RSL site, but even that eventuality (ignoring the additional downsides) is already, in my opinion, hurting property prices and the ability to find tenants around the area.
  • roma over 7 years ago
    We want the beach side community to be saved. The current proposed re-development will be considered a mistake for generations. Please develop and improve but don't change the height or width of the current building facade!!
  • Chester over 7 years ago
    I attended Thursdays sales pitch by the developer and RSL reps ,very slick marketing that's all it was. The developer has obviously schmoozed the RSL members into handing them this site on a platter , no match in those negotiations I fear.What really annoys me is the use of the old photos of the "Diggers" I wonder what they would think of what is going on?Sold out I think. They fought for their families and our way of life , all this present bunch can do is sell out to a slick developer, when things get to tough. No vision!The site is a community asset , and should be used as such , have your club ,sure but what about a swimming pool and gym , there are lots of ideas I am sure the locals would get right behind , to just flog it off for units is just easy and dumb.
  • Jennifer over 7 years ago
    Local shops for local people. Traffic is the major issue around this area,a large shopping centre will only add to the problem. Access for delivery trucks via Chesterfield Lane is simply not practical it is a very narrow lane clearly never constructed with the amount of traffic a redevelopment will create.Residents currently travel the very short distance to Bondi Junction or Randwick for grocery shopping and all the other shops and services these shopping centres provide. We will still travel to these places as simply bringing in Harris Farm will not meet need. Clearly not a commercially viable proposal.
  • jsavill over 7 years ago
    On a lovely sunny Sunday our streets are jammed as Sydneysiders flock to the beach areas to enjoy the sun and the Bronte to Bondi walk and park their cars in every available spot. Bronte Road heading to Bondi Junction is jammed. So is Bondi Road heading to Bondi Beach. Why would we be attempting to increase traffic and pressure on our community? Isn't the way forward all about sustainability - small communities, local shopping, small-scale retail and low to medium-density housing? Make no mistake - any major development in the Bronte (St Thomas) "village" will destroy the "village" forever. Is that the future we want for our neighbourhood? Another Coogee Bay Road? Another Bondi Road? Is this a plan to relieve congestion in other parts of the eastern beaches by diverting shoppers and traffic to Macpherson Street? If so, it's at our expense. And the traffic will not ease elsewhere as a result. The more people are encouraged to drive rather than walk (NO ONE walks to the supermarket!) the worse off we will all be. And rather than encourage our children to walk to school, increased traffic just increases parents' fears that they will be in danger - not least in Chesterfield Parade. Let's work together to keep our community sustainable and keep traffic levels down.
  • CraigFranklin over 7 years ago
    I'm another resident living on Chesterfield Lane, with our bedroom just 1 metre off the lane. The prospect of large construction vehicles, and subsequently, delivery vehicles, using this lane in the early mornings is a concern for me. I accept that the site needs to be developed, but I hope that large, noisy vehicles can be restricted to using the laneway between the hours of 9am and 5pm.
  • macke over 7 years ago
    We recently bought and moved into the bronte area. The key reason for bronte was that it was quite has a sense of community and the village vibe. The proposal ie. overdevelopment of bronte RSL site, will turn the bronte village into busy bondi. This is not what living in bronte is about. Maintain the sense of community and peacefulness that sets bronte apart
  • local over 7 years ago
    What are they thinking? We do not need a supermarket or Harris Farm in MacPherson St. The parking in Yanko, Evans, MacPherson has become ridiculous recently. Not every suburb needs a supermarket. Leave our quite local area alone. Fix the parking issues you have before making it worse.
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    • Chester over 7 years ago
      We all seem to think it will be a Harris farms market , I think this is a red herring ,less confronting ,but it could just as easily be a Woolies like in Coogee , they receive trucks constantly all hours , just go and observe .
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      • stephenjl over 7 years ago
        indeed. there are a few unanswered questions about what the developer wants to put into the shopping mall he has planned. a mini coles or woolies is a definite and worrying possibility
  • rosie over 7 years ago
    The proposed RSL development it's outrageous and will kill the village and Bronte. Council should listen to the community and not the greedy developers!
  • Ajax over 7 years ago
    Are people aware that Iggy's Breads will be building a commercial bakery at 129-131 Macpherson Street. DA is approved.I am not referring to the Iggy's current site (where the surfshop used to be) but immediately west of the dentist and Bronte Medical Centre (Dr Levenston's practice) where there are 2 now empty shop fronts (one used to be a pasta shop).The commercial bakery will be large. Access for trucks will be via Chesterfield Lane. The rear section (loading area) is complete. The bakery itself is about to be built.Once the commercial bakery is built truck movements in Chesterfield Lane are likely to increase. The Development application was posted to limited surrounding properties in Macpherson Street and Chesterfield Avenue. I was quite surprised by the limited area the DA notification took in on Macpherson Street. Few people seem aware of this development and the fact that truck movements in Chesterfield Lane are already going to increase.
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    • Ajax over 7 years ago
      Should have said Chesterfield Parade in last paragraph (not Chesterfield Ave)
    • stephenjl over 7 years ago
      this is a shocker. i live on chesterfield parade and was never asked about this development. now it makes sense why the council has suddenly decided to resurface chesterfield lane after years of neglect. what has the council done to our suburb?
    • isabel over 7 years ago
      This is unbelievable. I did not know about this development being a commercial bakery. I live in Chesterfield Pde and was not consulted. Outrageous really! The council has been negligent in not consulting properly.
    • Chester over 7 years ago
      There will be very minimal truck movements compared to a supermarket , the bakery has a large garage to take deliveries so they don't need to block the lane . A supermarket will have multiple semis rolling up! Let's stay on target , was gone before is gone.
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      • stephenjl over 7 years ago
        chester, allow me one more comment off target! the LEP for the site of the new commercial bakery says that the objectives of the zone are: "To provide a range of small-scale retail, business and community uses that serve the needs of people who live or work in the surrounding neighbourhood. To ensure that non-residential uses do not result in adverse impacts on the amenity of existing and future residential premises" how does a commercial bakery fit into these objectives?Now back on target, how does the proposed monstrous shopping mall at the RSL site fit into these objectives????
    • Local Lass over 7 years ago
      I live in Chesterfield Parade and have done for 16 years. I have complained to the council on numerous occasions about the state of the lane way. NOW, suddenly it is being fixed? Coincidence ??? Just before Iggys Commercial bakery and the now RSL developers want to build ???? I smell something fishy.....how about everyone else?
    • SimonL over 7 years ago
      It must have been very limited distribution of the notice - I live in Chesterfield Parade and never received anything.
    • gordon over 7 years ago
      One bad decision will result in a cascade of bad decisions and turn the area into a BRONTE JUNCTION!
    • resident over 7 years ago
      Its a great "consultation process" isn't it! As a resident of Chesterfield Parade backing on to Chesterfield Lane, I received 5, that's correct 5 notices concerning the pruning/removal of an olive tree that is causing damage to a neighbours wall, however I have never received any notification of a DA for a commercial bakery 100 metres from my back door!Too late now, its already half built. Iggy's about to move in to his new lane way apartment as the bulldozers move in to the property facing MacPherson Street.Interesting to note that Iggy stores in the RSL loading dock, all his ingredients and flour for his bread along with all the timber he is going to reuse for his new "bakehouse"..
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  • Cocoa over 7 years ago
    I am also a local resident, I have lived in various parts of Bronte for years. It seems we are losing viable family business in favour of greed, for example Bronte Cake shop, well patronised, one of the few places left in this area with reasonably priced food now closed for no good reason.Don't turn Bronte into Manly. The village atmosphere is what makes this place, high rise and shopping complexes will destroy what is good about Bronte and once it is gone we will never get it back. Make developments appropriate and support local family business.
  • Rob over 7 years ago
    I am completely against the redevelopment of the RSL-site as it is currently proposed. What I can't understand is why a redevelopment of the site has to result in a massive building that does not fit in with the current character of the surrounding area. Yes, I know that the Oceanview building is also very large, but adding a second very large building next to it does not make it any better. The size fo the potential new building will be a key driver of negative effects from:1. Traffic2. Noise3. Overshadowing4. Negative impact on surrounding shopsI would ask council to cap the size of any new building to something close to the existing building. Than way the negative impact on the surrounding area of any new development should remain small.
  • SimonL over 7 years ago
    For those who missed it at last week's 'expo' by the developer, the area within 1 km of the Bronte RSL is "...one of the most densely populated area in Sydney and Australia with over 18,000 people living within 1km of the site." - these words - verbatim - were on one of the developer's display boards.I don't challenge the notion that the shopping precinct and even some of the apartment blocks in the area need a 'refresh', but the notion of creating something that results in even higher levels of population density is neither desirable nor wanted. The latest message from the Mayor does nothing for me in quelling my concerns that the council will ultimately ignore residents concerns and issues and send us down a track from which there is no reversal - even greater population density, more traffic, more heavy vehicles and a sharply reduced quality of living for all those living in the vicinity.
  • tiblet over 7 years ago
    The current RSL needs redevelopment - not over development. I would encourage all involved, but especially the council, to maximise the potential of the site for the benefit of the local residents but only within the current building envelope. This would minimize the impact on traffic, and existing views. Bronte is a unique beach community whose soul and spirit should be maintained - not overlooked for the sake of commercial gain by the RSL and developer.
  • R_C over 7 years ago
    Not to be hyperbolic but allowing for developments like these is the start of the slippery slope toward the commodification of the uniqueness of the area. Stay within the development envelope!
  • stephenjl over 7 years ago
    For those of you who are against the proposed monstrous shopping mall overdevelopment of the Bronte RSL, there is a community meeting organised for 7.30 pm this coming Wednesday (7/11/12) at the Clovelly Public School Hall. It is being organised by the Save Bronte Village group. We are a group of local residents who totally oppose the current proposal to overdevelop the RSL. We are sick of a planning and political system that takes so little notice of local community views and seems stacked in favour of developers. If you would like to help us in the battle for Bronte’s future please come to our meeting. It wont be a flash affair with spin doctors and fancy food but it will be a meeting full of fight, community camaraderie and optimism.
  • Guy Debelle over 7 years ago
    My concern is mostly about the traffic flow on Chesterfield Lane. Backing out of my garage onto the Lane is dangerous enough with the existing flow at the current speed, let alone with increased flow from the development's residents and the delivery trucks. I have been nearly rearended a number of times by cars speeding down the lane.Also the turn onto the Parade from the Lane is not good, without there being even more traffic. The sight lines arent great because of the trees (which need to stay!).
  • Local Lass over 7 years ago
    Bronte residents don't want nor do they need a shopping mall in our village. The claim by the developers that it will decrease traffic is ludicrous! It will only attract more vehicles from other suburbs, people don't walk to and from a place with a weeks worth of fruit and veg. They also claim it will enhance small local business's, I fail to see how that is possible when what is being proposed will be in direct competition with the small business's that make up this small village.How can our local business's possibly compete with the buying power of Harris Farm Markets????They claim it won't infringe on people's privacy. That it won't cause any overshadowing. I'd like to see some independent shadow drawings to back up that claim, unless of course it's to be built out of invisible bricks how is it possible. Who is really behind this development? And what other property do they own in Bronte and surrounding suburbs? Why is the council raising the height restrictions from 9 to 13 metres? Why were residents kept in the dark about Iggys Bread building a large commercial bakery in Chesterfield Lane? So many questions......so few answers :(I hope you don't remove this comment like you did my last one. Freedom of speech is still a right in Australia the last time I checked.
  • CLBronte over 7 years ago
    Overdevelopment is the problem not redevelopment.To go beyond the current parameters of the RSL building,the current height and width of the actual building would lead to unacceptable negative consequences for the local community:*Overshadowing and lack of sunlight for surrounding residences*Excessive traffic*Change from village atmosphere*Privacy for surrounding residences reduced to an intolerable level
  • Savita over 7 years ago
    Bronte is a loved suburb in Sydney because it is quaint, and not overdeveloped... it has a cute strip of shops, access to a beautiful beach, and a lovely chilled out vibe.I feel excited that the RSL might be updated to bring it to modern standard (it will be lovely to have a new restaurant in the area, but feel disappointed hearing that it might be overdeveloped to build up and add congestion to the neighbourhood.Please preserve the beauty of Bronte.... we dont want to make it the next bondi junction.
  • mfv over 7 years ago
    Who are these consultants,telling locals that there will not be a great impact on traffic,and that it will be policed,and when asked "how",rambled on and could not answer.Yesterday (Sunday) 10.30am,gridlock at the corner of McPherson and St.Thomas,yes Sculptures was on but this is the situation every weekend during summer and every day during school term.The area cannot handle the traffic,St.Thomas,Boundary,McPherson,Bronte Rd,Charing Cross will become another Bondi Road.Yesterday,St.T,McP,Trafalgar completely parked out.Yes, the RSL site does need to be redeveloped but kept at residential height,comprising RSL but no Harris/other large commercial venture.Would it not be nice that in the future our local village would be kept as is and not follow other other places where overdevelopment has taken place,our little centre would be unique.Our house does not back onto Chesterfield lane,but another local lane and on a few occasions we have not been able to exit our garage because of cars parked,on the very hot days in the summer months.Have the developers thought that visitors in the summer months,could possibly use Harris carpark area,or if goes ahead is it going to be pay by the hour.This development on such a large scale is not needed.
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    • resident over 7 years ago
      The expert traffic consultant who feels that there will be no further impact, infact he is telling us that there will be a reduction, is Mr Robert Varga of Varga Traffic Consulting.He has been "engaged" by the developer Mr David HYNES of Winston Langley.At the developers meeting, he told us that there would be 2 truck movements a day. After checking with the developer, that number was changed to 15 vehicle movements a day required to service JUST Harris Farm.When the developer was asked questions on this, he needed to excuse himself from the conversation as it was too hot and he needed some fresh air! Fresh air indeed!
  • local resident over 7 years ago
    I am strongly opposed to the redevelopment of the Bronte RSL Club to the scale which will include a Harris Farm . Due to the high volume of traffic, and lack of parking in the area as it is, we certainly do not need more cars coming in.It should remain a small village style, local community shopping precinct, with shops that will benefit the locals. We do not want to do our main shopping here. We can go to Bondi Junction or Randwick for that.The area is already gridlocked with traffic a lot of the time, and we certainly do not need more delivery trucks and cars in the area putting our children and elderly at risk. I am not opposed to redevelopment, but I request you consider more appropriate uses, that would fit in with the keeping of a small local village.
  • Anne over 7 years ago
    Bronte Is a residential area and shops should be suited to a local village centre, not a major commercial development. We do not want another Bondi Junction on our doorstep to ruin the ambience of our neighbourhood. Nor do we want large-scale, high-rise development.
  • Chester over 7 years ago
    Can someone from the RSL explain how they made the decision to flog of the site like they have , you can't tell me that they couldn't have had a much smaller scale development and still had room for the club. Those units will sell for a bundle . I can understand the developer ,they want the max profit , but the members of the RSL want a viable club that their neighbours will come along to. Have the RSL got a share in the profits?what's the deal?I'm sure the RSL members who are responsible for this deal are reading this , please respond .
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  • Chris in Bronte over 7 years ago
    A walk around the RSL site and back down Chesterfield Lane leaves one a bit incredulous that such a development would even get past first base. The residents, commercial employees and deliveries would add 300 car movements a day down the Lane. Further, there would be at least 1,500 - 2,000 additional car movements down the race track known as Macpherson Street. They would have the put a traffic light there too. Its just way out of proportion. I would accept a purely residential space within the 9.5m height limit, and only street side low impact commercial such as cafe or bakery. Even this will mean hundreds of additional car movements a day, further parking competition and noise from a small RSL.
  • Chesterfield over 7 years ago
    Think about some of the implications about building a shopping mall in Bronte:1. Lots of people living in say Clovelly and Coogee and Tama come to Bronte to shop instead of Bondi Junction or Randwick.2. The intersection at Arden St/Macpherson becomes unviable - we need traffic lights!3. The right hand turn off Macpherson into the shopping mall clogs Macpherson - traffic lights?4. The clog at the top of Arden St turns Chesterfield Parade into a rat run to get to Macpherson - this will also allow people to turn left into the shopping mall.5. The intersection at St Thomas/Macpherson becomes unviable - we need traffic lights.Think Bondi Road. Thanks RSL.
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    • fmm over 7 years ago
      Sadly, this traffic scenario is not at all unrealistic if the shopping mall goes ahead.
  • Newie over 7 years ago
    All the locals are in furious agreement that a sympathetic development within the current footprint would be welcomed as followed:1. Reasonable number of apartments - say 10 (nice if they were to be affordable - but this is unlikely even if 28 were to be built given developer and RSL's sole motive is to make money)2. RSL facilities at an appropriate size for the active members which is clearly not many. Makes sense for this to be at street level for the elderly cohort. Noted that hardly any parking is required to support these members as having access to Chesterfield Lane for over a decade I can attest to the fact the current RSL car park was barely used. 3. Maybe a couple of small retail spaces to complement the current range of shops for local users. Noted that there are always empty retail spaces. We don't need more empty shopfronts.Access to parking and loading dock (if any) to be from Macpherson Street due to the inability of Chesterfield Lane to cater for major traffic thoroughfare. This should be undercover to prevent noise and smells spreading to locals.It is specious to say that there will be no overall increase to traffic in the area as the developer does. In fact, currently Macpherson St east of Arden street in not a thoroughfare for cars in the whole neighbourhood heading to other (well serviced) shopping centres.
  • Jacqui over 7 years ago
    My main concern is the increased traffic..not only cars, but commercial vehicles and trucks that will be constantly accessing Chesterfield Lane and the many shop including the Harris Farm that is being proposed. I doubt the traffic restrictions proposed will in reality prevent the 'bank up ' of cars, trucks and traffic in the Lane...not to mention the residents being prevented from accessing their own garages!The assumption that it will only attract locals within walking distance is also unrealistic. People already drive from other areas to go to the current cafes, bakery and other boutique shops..not to mention the patisserie that will be opening soon on Arden Street.I think the refurbishment and redevelopment of the RSL site could be a positive thing as longs it's in keeping with the existing 'village' atmosphere with small boutique shops...not a smaller version of Westfield ('Stressfield')!The new development currently does not allow for the delivery trucks to turn off from Chesterfield Lane onto the site of the development apart from the turning circle...only allowing one truck at a time to divert off the already narrow Chesterfield Lane. Can the proposed design have the building 'set back' from the laneway and have the trucks turn onto the RSL site from each end of the property's border of the property onto the turning circle..this will alleviate the queue of trucks eating to access the loading dock area. We have a preschool at one end of the street (St Thomas) and a Primary School on the other end (Arden Street)...how will safety issues be addressed?
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    • resident over 7 years ago
      You have raised many good points here. Lets just hope someone sits up and listens.
  • Newie over 7 years ago
    It would be good to get some transparency from the RSL who have remained silent throughout this process. In particular:1. How will the money they hope to make from the Bronte RSL development be spent - as well as the money from the rumoured other RSL developments in the Eastern Suburbs in Sydney on sites of recently closed RSL clubs- let alone anywhere else in Australia?2. Did they pay market value for the sites in the first place? 3. Are there any conflicts of interest between owners of property close to the Bronte RSL site and RSL office bearers - who could potentially make a motza from the sale of residential property to developers that could build a 6 storey 4 level basement carpark in the so called St Thomas Village based on the RSL precedent if it gets through?
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    • Chester over 7 years ago
      Good points, but I'm pretty sure the developers will have banned the RSL reps from speaking. Wouldn't want to let anything slip!
    • resident over 7 years ago
      Simon, the Treasurer from the RSL has already stated that the more apartments the developer can fit on to the site, the more of a "commission" the RSL will get. Improves the income stream. So in effect we could end up with something like the "Coogee Palace" in our backyards.In addition, the RSL is in talks with Easts Leagues Club and Souths Juniors as "potential" operators of the new RSL. The old RSL couldn't make the business work, so this guy who is involved in "pubs" will get someone in who will.
  • Steve over 7 years ago
    Chesterfield Lane and heritage Chesterfield Parade are residential areas and the idea that we should see a huge increase in commercial vehicles is wrong and council need to act to ensure development guidelines are tightened. In particular if council is to allow a "shopping mall" development then commercial vehicles (and construction vehicles!!!) should enter via the more suitable Macpherson Street - the developer needs to redesign the existing car park layout to accommodate and if this results in a reduction of the 60 'visitor' spaces then so be it.....I thought this was a development to benefit locals...who will walk. Additional car parking will attract more cars to the area through numerous school zones with an increase in accidents an inevitability. Chesterfield Lane in particular is unsuitable to commercial vehicles given the limited set back that a number of residential properties have from the Lane and the loss of quality of life those residents would suffer. Using the lane for residential access to new apartments is appropriate. There is no doubt that the existing RSL needs development but what we need is a design in keeping with what Bronte is becoming - small boutique quality cares and shops witness Hatted Three Blue Ducks and Iggy's Bread. The retail component of the design needs to be shop front only like existing properties not and Edgecliff Mall!! No objection to more apartments - people should have the opportunity to enjoy Bronte, but please council and developer let's be sensitive to us locals. People should not have to suffer overshadowing. The existing apartment block is not and should not be a precedent - right a wrong this time. Many of us have invested heavily in moving and renovating in Bronte.....to strict guidelines....and full council presentation. Big money should not ride rough shod over this. Finally, please let's look at the club licensing hours - not a problem to date given its low patronage but a potential to be.
  • gordon over 7 years ago
    Say YES to maximising the RSL re-development by staying within the current building envelope or staying withing the current building frame. Why change something that has endured for generations? We are in favour of progress and development provided it is sustainable and withing existing structural frame. Clearly there is lot of room for potential in this already huge building?
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    • fmm over 7 years ago
      I "disagreed" with this comment in error. I meant to "agree" that yes, the development MUST remain within the existing building frame, or better still, shrunk!
  • Rebecca over 7 years ago
    I am a resident of 50 Chesterfield Parade and am very very concerned about the proposed development. This must not go ahead and must be stopped before it is too late. The 7 TOP main reasons for opposing this development are:1. Delivery trucks and constant traffic of Chesterfield lane and surrounding area. The streets in the area are not equipped to deal with the increased traffic load that will result. I am worried about potential accidents down Chesterfield Lane which is already a chaotic and dangerous road. I am worried about the safety of my children with heavy trucks potentially going down2. Noise, noise, noise- Delivery trucks down Chesterfield Lane at all hours causing noise pollution. This will be a nightmare!!!!3. Harris Farms is not required as we have ample fruit and vegetable shopping at Bondi Junction which has the infrastructure to deal with shopping influx. Its just not a viable economic decision4. This will Spoil the residential and village feel of Bronte Precient5. Increase in danger for children attending school and pre schools in close proximity6. Ruination of Bronte beach haven7. Privacy impacts for existing residential propertiesAs a resident who has a young family I am so concerned this development and the use of the site will affect our quality of life, and we will probably want to sell our home. We have spent and invested alot of time and effort to create our home and now expect that we will never recover the capital investment as who would want to be exposed to this noise and air pollution!!!!!Please please Waverley Council let common sense prevail and SAY NO! This is madnessPlease
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    • resident over 7 years ago
      RebeccaI to am a resident that uses Chesterfield Lane on a daily basis. I agree with EVERY ONE of your comments. A prime example of what you suggested about chaos in the Lane was demonstrated only yesterday by one of the workman who has been putting in the new kerb and guttering. At lunchtime yesterday he was showing off his new Commodore to his mates by rapidly accelerating down the lane way and then laying rubber to his own warped amusement!.What will it be like when we have the grocery and brewery trucks in the lane way every morning 7 days a week only to be interspersed by rubbish trucks who will also have an additional 48 residents bins (based on 2 per rubbish day) to empty that have been lined up along the lane way EVERY Friday!Like you, I am looking for a Real Estate agent that can sell my place before this greedy and smug developer who quietly resides in Hunters Hill comes and lets loose in our neighbourhood.
  • tzt over 7 years ago
    Bronte does not need another Bondi Junction. There are enough big shops near by and this development would destroy the lovely village feel.
  • kman over 7 years ago
    I am a local owner resident. While I am support of and appropriate development of the Bronte RSL site, it needs to be in keeping with the nature and feel of the neighbourhood. A low-rise (to existing zoning limits) that fits with the Village feel of Bronte would be most suitable in my opinion. I DO NOT support any large high-rise development.Furthermore, I think the view that the Bronte and surrounding community need another medium-large shopping area, other than Bondi Junction is misguided. We like our neighbourhood the way it is (Village feel). I for one do not mind travelling to BJ when required, though would be nice to see some "old school" type shops open up in the area.
  • YankoAve over 7 years ago
    I support re-development of the RSL as it is completely rundown, but not in te format proposed. A Harris Farm or similar sized operation is completely incompatible with the neighbourhood. Bronte does not need a store of that size or nature, particularly with Bondi Junction, Randwick shops, Randwick greengrocer, Coogee shops and Bondi Woolworths proposed. All of these are within 2-10 minutes drive from Bronte. The increase in traffic and noise pollution that would result from such development is completely unacceptable to residents.I believe that the success of Three Blue Ducks, Iggy's and Frockk illustrates the sustainability of small, local businesses. The area could sustain another coffee shop and a small deli, such as Clodeli on Clovelly Road. Any development of the RSL should be within the current building envelope. A mixture of residential and commercial would be acceptable but not at the scale currently proposed. The current proposal is completely out of scale with the neighbourhood.
  • vicki over 7 years ago
    Let's preserve the village atmosphere at Bronte. There is no need for supermarket style shopping here with Bondi Junction & Randwick so close.The proposed development would mean traffic chaos in Bronte &, combined with extra trucks, would make it extremely dangerous for children on their way to & from school. Chesterfield lane is simply not wide enough to handle this extra traffic & the extra noise of delivery trucks would disturb the quiet even on weekends.The proposed development whould be kept within the existing footprint & not exceed a height of 3 storeys on Macpherson St so that the building is in keeping with most of the buildings already there.
  • waveboy over 7 years ago
    I'm a young person who is 100% in support of the development.The Macpherson St shopping strip is nothing short of an eyesore. The convenience stores are overpriced, there's no decent takeaway food and there's only 1 decent cafe. The footpaths are falling apart and the buildings are old and horrible to look at.The strip is dead at night, and you can't get anything to take away for dinner.Bronte is meant to be one of Sydney's nicest suburbs, but this shopping strip is hideous compared to Double Bay, Mosman, Hall St Bondi, Crown St, etc. This strip should be a gateway to Bronte.I want to see up to 6 stories of apartments all the way from the RSL to St Thomas St - nice architect-designed residences with lots of greenery making the most of the views. More people is a good thing - more demand for buses (there's no 24hr service at the moment), more demand for cafes and better street life with more people milling around.If you want to live in a small coastal town, move away. Bronte's already grown past that point and there's no point delaying the upgrades of the community facilities that we all rely upon.
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    • Ajax over 7 years ago
      Waveboy,before you get too excited about this development have a walk down Chesterfield Lane and picture 300+ car movements a day down the laneway. Have a look at the units in Oceanview whose front doors and garages enter immediately onto Chesterfield Lane. I drive down this laneway on a daily basis and consider the laneway dangerous and one that requires cautious and careful driving. The turn when travelling south along Arden Street into Chesterfield Parade is also dangerous as drivers behind you do not anticipate you stopping for children crossing at the pedestrian crossing in Chesterfield Parade (and you run the risk of being hit from behind and hitting children using the crossing). This concern is coming from someone who is familiar with the risks and not someone who occassionally comes to shop at Harris Farm and the other shops.Opinions on traffic movements can depend on who is providing instructions (and paying) them. I view experts' reports more as a hired mouthpiece. How the expert engaged by the developer came to the conclusion that traffic flow will decrease as a result of the RSL development mystifies me (if indeed this is what the expert's conclusion was).
    • Newie over 7 years ago
      Hi Waveboy,I think the point is that most of the people in the immediate area do not want a 24 hour party strip. Double Bay and Mosman are certainly not either. People wanting that kind of party life can go to Surry Hills, Bondi, Coogee or Kings Cross or maybe move there if they want to be right in the middle of that kind of action. Sydney has a variety of suburbs with different amenities - and people choose to live in a particular suburb or part of that suburb based on those amenities when they move in.Takeaway food shops along the strip that have come and gone over the years no doubt for a good reason. The community do not support them. You can order in a huge variety of takeaway if you want to or walk/bike/bus/even drive to Charing Cross, etc. Convenience stores are always overpriced - but you save on petrol, time, etc by using them. I'm pretty sure that any supermarket coming in to the area is going to charge a premium because it is located in Bronte. Check the price of a coffee in Bronte compared to Penrith.The overwhelming majority of the local community are strongly opposed to the traffic congestion that would be inevitable from a 6 storey building on the RSL site let alone your suggestion of 6 storey buildings all along the strip in an area that clearly does not have the facilities to cope with it. I agree it would be great to have a 24 hour bus service and express to the city. Apparently we live in one of the highest population density areas -so could support these services if people would use them. I doubt that the demographic buying into the developments you are suggesting would support these services either.
    • stephenjl over 7 years ago
      g'day waveboy,sydney has suburbs catering to all sorts of needs and wants. if you want a large back yard, you can live in western sydney. if you want inner city apartment living you can live in pyrmont. if you want to party 24/7 you can live in kings cross. if you want views of the harbour and ocean (and you have the cash) you can live in many places. if you want restaurants at your door you can live in newtown, surry hills or balmain. if you want coffee shops you can live in any number of suburbs including down at bronte beach. if you want takeaway food you can go to kings cross, to cleveland st, to bondi, to coogee. i moved to bronte to avoid all that sort of stuff. i moved to a peaceful seaside suburb that is full of families with young kids and older folk who have lived here all their lives. it is a great place for us. some people such as you don't like it but surely you can find somewhere in sydney that you do like without having to force a large scale inappropriate development onto our community. cheers
  • SJL over 7 years ago
    There is absolutely NO WAY Chesterfield Lane, Chesterfield Parade and surrounding streets can handle the increased volume of traffic that a Harris Farm, or any supermarket, in the RSL site would bring to our family community.Our democratically elected council would be negligent in the extreme, if they were to countenance the wishes of a developer over the very deep concern and justifiable anger, shown by the VAST majority of its Bronte constituents.It is not just a case of NIMBYism on display in Bronte, it goes far far beyond that. This proposal is delinquent on so many levels it is bordering on ludicrous in its current form.Chesterfield Parade is bookended by a heavily populated school at Arden st, and a very busy day care at St Thomas st.Will the Mayor, or the developer stand up at the next public meeting and declare to all and sundry they are putting the profit generated by DOZENS of truck movements a day, ahead of the safety of our primary aged children, toddlers and babies ?Of course they won't !How will the Mayor and the developer stand before us all, and justify the destruction of our safety, our amenity, our peaceful friendly neighbourhood, our very lifestyle ?They can't and they know it !Macpherson st, Chesterfield Parade and environs quite simply don't have the size, width or infrastructure to support the supply logistics of a Harris Farm supermarket. How does a narrow, heavily rooted, cracked and warped avenue of trees like Chesterfield Parade and Lane safely conduct dozens of heavy truck movements per day ?It can't be done and they know it !The good people of Bronte have managed to ward off scurvy for decades now by sourcing their fruit and vegetables from the many nearby small businesses this Harris Farm proposal threatens with extinction. We do not need or want this business busting monstrosity.I am not against the development of the RSL site....but I am vehemently opposed to the proposed destruction of my family and friend's very way of life, just to satisfy the fat bottom line and avarice of some unaffected, nonchalant developer.If the council, we saw fit to elect, had their moral compass set to sanity they would toss this developers proposal, in its current form, straight in the bin where it belongs.I call on our council to do what they were elected to do, and put the people first.
  • resident over 7 years ago
    The main issue here is the proposed OVERDEVELOPMENT of the area by the RSL and their appointed developer, Winston Langley.We moved here 20 years ago because we like the village atmosphere and the fact that our major shopping can be completed in other areas such as Bondi Junction, Randwick and Coogee. The idea of having a large supermarket such as Harris Farm in such a small village with all the associated traffic movements of both their suppliers and shoppers seems beyond our worst nightmare.Regardless of the opinions expressed by the "traffic engineer" engaged by the developer that there would be minimal impact on our local area, it is obvious to those of us that live here that the CURRENT traffic situation is already at bursting point and with the amount of school aged children and teenagers that frequent the area, the added dangers, particularly those created our "visitors" who continue to double park and pull up in bus stops to satisfy their bread and caffeine requirements, this added danger will lead to a serious accident. How many times has the view of crossing at St Thomas Street been blocked by a 4 wheel drive!! And how many times do you see Council Parking Officers policing the area?To use Chesterfield Lane to service a large 1200 m2 supermarket and RSL club and residence is going to add an enormous amount of traffic to that area. To access the Lane, you need to enter from Arden Street over the school crossing, in to a 40 km/h zone and negotiate a small lane, before exiting again in to quite suburban street. Where is the sense in that?
  • kathy over 7 years ago
    what about the scout hall will the ballet ,dance , judo etc classes be able to continue with lncreased traffic stress. We know how hectic the situation there is already. does Bronte really want or need another oceanview or wimbourne, we all know how we feel about these oversize buildings can we not learn from our previous mistakes. Sure the site will be and needs to be developed , but for the good of the majority of the community, not for the developers and stakeholders alone.
  • fmm over 7 years ago
    The very idea of a large scale commercial development on the RSL site is ludicrous to the point of complete madness. I cannot begin to understand why Waverley Council didn't nip it in the bud at the outset. From where I'm looking their agenda appears less than clear. The same can be said for other parties. It's just wrong for so many reasons - traffic, safety, neighbourhood amenity ... the list goes on. If the development goes ahead as proposed it will be a disaster for the "Village Centre" that we know and love, not to mention for the folk in Chesterfield Parade who thought they were living in a quiet residential street.
  • Chrispy over 7 years ago
    How about some more facilities to encourage kids and other people to bicycle to the area? A shared path would be great, and some cycle parking. The taxi rank area is dangerous, with taxi's u-turning over double yellow outside the rank. Traffic calming, and separated bike lane would be good. The current on-road bike marking is in car-door opening territory, and disappears at the round about.
  • LouLou over 7 years ago
    Bronte beach proper has already become over developed with cafes and restaurants the last 15-20 years causing major traffic congestion. The Macpherson Street precinct and RSL site needs to be maintained as is without further overdevelopment. It is the last bastion where people can buy their fruit/vegies and bread/milk (which no longer exists down at the Beach as it was originally). This area is vital to the local Bronte community, and the local Bronte businesses that exist and have serviced this community extremely well over the years – no need to fix what isn’t broken. Frenchman’s Road provides the larger deli and supermarket needs for those needing that requirement and then of course there is Clovelly Road, Charing Cross and the Big Westfield. Keep Bronte as is. Revamp the site by all means, however, refurbish the RSL, gym, private function rooms and maintain a low-level rise development that is in keeping with the surrounding area and not a blight on the Bronte residents and Waverley Council rate payers. The RSL is a vital component to the local community which has been an extremely important hub for past generations and will continue to be for generations to come.
  • am1982 over 7 years ago
    I am new to the area and love the fact it isn't as busy as Bondi Junction! Other than some additional amenities / businesses that would fit within a village type area, I do not feel any other major development is required.
  • sue over 7 years ago
    I do feel that the RSL site needs redevelopment. However I think it should only be developed for residential use with adequate parking provided. I dont think we need any retail developement as Bondi Junction is only a few minutes away by car or bus.
  • LocalResident over 7 years ago
    We do not want nor need this sort of development proposed for the RSL site. It is truly ridiculous to propose such a development in a beachside community like Bronte. I'm all for development, but on this scale.
  • ando over 7 years ago
    The reason I chose to live in Bronte and have continued to do so for 14 years is because it has a " village atmosphere" whilst being close to all amenities. I do not have a car and yet have no difficulty with shopping or accessing services due to the proximity of Bondi Junction. The proposed development would substantially detract from the benefits of living in Bronte without adding any significant value to current residents. Undoubtedly the shopping strip could do with a cosmetic makeover retaining the village aesthetic. I certainly do not want to see more high-rise accomodation however. Oceanview was only permitted because it was an existing structure (previously the Bronte Inn). The proposed redevelopment would require a change to the zoning and height restrictions which would open the door for future overdevelopment. Preserve Bronte's uniqueness - people who want shopping facilities and higher density accommodation on their doorstep can choose to live in Bondi Junction.
  • bronteboyd over 7 years ago
    Waveboy, bronteboy here. we might be related. you say 6 stories from the rsl to st thomas st. top idea but why stop there? Lets go to 9 stories, no 10, and then more people can enjoy the views. i want the high rises to go from frenchmans road right down to the beach. Not only that but that pesky cemetery is taking all the best views. let's get some apartments in there. the surf club could certainly do with a few more stories down at the beach. I agree, i want macpherson st to be just like bondi with heaps of people 24/7 or bondi junction with late night drinking and alcohol induced anti-social behaviour. and, yeh, i agree, anyone who bought a house at a hefty price in bronte for the peaceful seaside lifestyle should move away because i want to party and shouldn't have to move bondi or coogee for that. and yeh, darn those convenience stores for charging a little extra for providing after hours, well, convenience - they should open long hours for the love of the community. and another thing, those cafe's 5 min walk down to the beach strip are too far away. they should be all moved on mass up to macpherson st. and by the way, they charge too much. and that pizza place that went broke because no one wants takeaway from the strip, well they should be made to come back. ah what the hey, let’s get a maccas in the strip.actually now that i think about it, maybe you and i should move to bondi where we can get everything we want and leave bronte village alone. what do you think waveboy?Note to council planners: comment above is a joke. i can't stand the proposed development.
  • Bobby over 7 years ago
    Small scale businesses or "community amenities" in any development in this "village" precinct, including the RSL site, is the only way of preserving the wonderful character of this part of Bronte. Anything else will cause havoc with traffic - both movement through surrounding streets, parking conjestion in those streets, and gridlock on Macpherson Street adversely affecting buses and other traffic. Large scale development of any description, not only the mooted Harris Farms or other retailer, but also a largescale commercial area or a greatly expanded facility using a liquor licence, RSL club or otherwise, that would attract people from outside the immediate area. Residential development on the RSL site must also be moderate so that the building is not so large as to overwhelm the streetscape - like the outsize development outrageously permitted by Council some years ago for the old Bronte Inn site. There should be some open space of significant area for community use. No matter what proposal a developer puts forward, Council must scrutinise and check with its own experts any traffic or other study put forward which purports to show that a large development will not have significant adverse effect on the immediate area, because if Council gets it wrong by not being alert to developers' well-worn methods of "underestimating" problems, Bronte will live with the outcome for generations tocome, and Waverley Council will be held responsible.
  • youth over 7 years ago
    As a young adult of this area, I would be very disappointed if developers turned it into a high-rise, money-making and road-busy community.Growing up here, I have always enjoyed a sense of peace, quiet, and safety. The construction of the proposed building and the subsequent supplying of the Harris Farms beneath it, would result in increased amounts of traffic that would have made my daily trips to Clovelly Public School and dog walking much more dangerous. Also, due to the positioning of the RSL club, the development into a 4-6 story apartment block would give it a direct view into my back garden. With the trees placed on either side of the garden, I have always enjoyed a sense of privacy: privacy to read, privacy to play, and privacy to relax. The loss of this privacy would have a major impact on my life, as well as many others along Chesterfield Parade and Lane.In addition, I have, living here, developed a personal relationship with the local businesses. In particular, with Tom at the local convenience store, 'Food Centre'. He has always been very amiable to me, asking me how school is going, and shaking my hand whenever I tell him about a good exam result or a competition I won. With the Harris Farms so close, he would never be able to compete; and his business, along with many others along MacPherson Street, would be lost.Since moving here 12 years ago, I have enjoyed a wonderful childhood living in this community. I believe that had this development taken place at that time, I would not have had such an enjoyable time. I do not want other children living in this area to miss out on what I experienced.